Talk:R. Lee Ermey

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Can someone dump the construction template ? - Before Sgt. Ermey spots it and raises hell ?! 65.173.105.71 06:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I think an admin has to remove it. If I remove it, I think I get punished like as if I removed that "do not remove" tag from a pillow. --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 08:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

1 From Pee Review
2 Quotes sound accurate.
3 What Quotes?!
4 Audio

[edit] From Pee Review

Humo(u)r:	5	Most of the jokes seem to depend on exaggeration of the nastier traits of the Ermey character. By the end of the piece they are pretty predictable -- seen endnotes.
Concept:	7	Ermey is a notable actor and a good character for parody.
Prose and Formatting:	6	Mostly the splelling and grammorz is gud. Flow and continuity could use improvement. See endnotes.
Images:	6	Appropriate images.
Miscellaneous:	5	My personal feeling here is that rough-'n-ragged tough-shit humor is OK in moderation, but I got tired of it.
Final Score:	29
Reviewer:	--OEJ 14:36, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Endnotes: On style, first: This piece seems to want to tell the story of R. Lee Ermey, but it tends to jump from episode to episode. For example, after the Pyle episode Ermey suddenly dies. Why? Dunno. How? Dunno. "Once while in a grocery store he kidnapped two watermelons"...Why? Dunno. Many biography pieces start with an "Early Years" or "Childhood" section; this one jumps right in with Ermey as a drill sergeant. How did Ermey get there? Dunno.

Of course you don't have to adhere to the standard biographical format. It is completely possible to create a good article consisting of a series of seperate incidents. A lot of short stories and novels work that way. But if you do that then each incident should be constructed to give the reader a beginning and an end inside the incident (in comic writing of course the beginning is often "setup" and the end is "punchline"). Here's a quick example of a structured incident:

Just after R. Lee Ermey returned from Saigon he learned that his elderly mother was dying. He caught a redeye flight out of San Diego to New York and took a cab straight to the Mayo Clinic. His mother lay in a darkened room surrounded by IV drip bags and monitors. She looked no larger than a child. Her skin was translucent as eggshell porcelain. A lump came to Ermey's throat -- his dear mother, on death's doorstep, motionless and frail. Her eyelids fluttered. "...Lee?" she whispered. "Lee...have you come home...have you come home at last?" Ermey felt tears welling up in his eyes. "Mom..." he choked. "Mom...drop and give me five hundred with each arm, you sandbagging slag! Move it! NOW, Mom!"

Not very carefully written, but you get the idea: Introduction (Mom is dying), setup (Ermey goes to see Mom, description of how pathetic she looks), and punchline (Ermey yells at poor old Mom).

Second, on the article as a whole: This a character piece. However, Ermey is presented as a flat character -- he has only one set of responses and he has no internal conflicts. This tends to become uninteresting because the reader figures out what Ermey will do next pretty quickly. It becomes unsurprising, and therefore uninteresting.

Neither the article nor Ermey's character undergo any development -- that is, Ermey does not learn anything or change; and the article as a whole does not lead the reader through a series of steps to a deeper final understanding. In an essay, for instance, a thesis statement starts a piece, a development section enlarges upon the thesis statement and presents additional views, and a closing summary re-examines the thesis in light of what has been learned. In a hero story the hero leaves home in one condition, encounters hardships, consults wise men, overcomes trials, and returns home changed. In both cases the piece develops, and has a beginning, a middle, and an end. By the end the reader feels as if he has followed a path leading somewhere.

An article of any length which has no development also tends to be flat, I think. It seems as if the reader has walked around a parking lot -- he has moved around but he never really got anywhere and ended up pretty much where he began.

You have a lot of possibilities with this article.

You could structure it like the comic escalating list -- Ermey as Marine drill sergeant yelling at recruits, Ermey as Hollywood actor yelling at directors, a suburban Ermey married and yelling at his wife and kids, an old dying Ermey in a hospital yelling at doctors and nurses, Ermey in Heaven yelling at the angels, Ermey sent to Hell yelling at demons, Ermey kicked out of both Heaven and Hell and in some sort of limbo looking around for somebody to yell at. The trick would probably be to up the ante with each new escalation -- keep the reader guessing about how much more ridiculous you can get.

Or you could present Ermey as comically struggling throughout the piece -- he could struggle against being a drill sergeant in everything he does (he might struggle not to yell at his dying mother, above); or he could struggle to maintain his drill-sergeant persona against all odds (he would struggle not to comfort his dying mother, struggle to yell at her instead). The internal conflict can lead to whatever outcome you want by the end of the piece.

Or whatever. I have already chattered away pretentiously for far too long. This advice may be nothing more than the insane ramblings of a flatulent lunatic. You have been warned. --OEJ 14:36, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes sound accurate.

Are they (gasp) fact or fiction? Barcode711 02:00, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Both actually, if that makes any sense. R. Lee Ermey actually talks that way in real life. So it is kind of hard to tell if they are fact or fiction, but my theory is that they are both fact and fiction. Ermey plays a lot of different characters in movies and TV shows and cartoons, but it is the same character, the same voice, the same cussing, the same anger, so nobody can tell the real difference between Ermey in fiction and Ermey in real life. Ermey has William Shattner disease or something and plays all of his characters with his own personality, etc. --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 03:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)